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    This has been a flaw in the game for sometime now, but I have lost count on the amount of players who get out in the 90s.

    It ridiculous, every single county match with Surrey for example, there is a guarantee of at least one 90 in every innings during the county season.


  • #2
    Have you done any statistical analysis of this?

    I'd like to see you count the number of 90s over at least one season in game and compare this to a real life equivalent length of time.

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    • #3
      I've noticed this with scores in the 40s too. But that may be me being more mindful of players about to reach milestones than it being too much of an occurrence. One thing that does happen way more often than it should though, is caught and bowleds. There was 4 in one innings on a game I played earlier. Then 3 in the next!

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      • #4
        I also got the sense that batsmen were getting out more often in the 90s, as intimated in another thread.

        Originally posted by Lynx54321 View Post
        Have you done any statistical analysis of this?

        I'd like to see you count the number of 90s over at least one season in game and compare this to a real life equivalent length of time.
        Ask and ye shall receive (it's Sunday night, pandemic, etc.).

        Below is the number of batsmen scoring 90-99 for the last 5 complete Sheffield Shield seasons.
        Season 90s
        2019/20 10
        2018/19 9
        2017/18 14
        2016/17 7
        2015/16 15
        Compare and contrast that with five seasons in the game:
        Season 90s
        1st 19
        2nd 16
        3rd 18
        4th 16
        5th 20
        Looks like the number of in-game 90s is pretty consistently higher. Worth noting that the lowest in-game season was still higher than the highest real cricket season.

        Caveats/assumptions/limitations:

        - Sheffield Shield season playing as South Australia
        - Every game was played without my input (i.e. skipped) so I didn't impact on selection, training, etc.
        - Each season was sim'd by playing the first season in the game five separate times to minimise the impact of regens, rather than five consecutive seasons, for example.
        - Did not check Shield games in different eras for comparison. I'd imagine in, say, the 1990s there were fewer scores in the 90s, though (assuming bloody Steve Waugh wasn't playing).

        A few notes:

        - Only two batsmen scored 99 in the real cricket Shield seasons whereas there were 99s in every in-game season (9 in total).
        - Only once in the real cricket seasons were any of those 90s scored by two batsmen in the same game whereas this happened a few times in-game.
        - Did not track OD games or international games at all. Maybe these would be different although I suspect not.
        Last edited by Top_Cat; 01-10-2021, 11:48 PM.

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        • #5


          Most recent ODI innings of one of my players. Doesn't prove anything, of course, but is an additional data point.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Top_Cat View Post
            I also got the sense that batsmen were getting out more often in the 90s, as intimated in another thread.



            Ask and ye shall receive (it's Sunday night, pandemic, etc.).

            Below is the number of batsmen scoring 90-99 for the last 5 complete Sheffield Shield seasons.
            Season 90s
            2019/20 10
            2018/19 9
            2017/18 14
            2016/17 7
            2015/16 15
            Compare and contrast that with five seasons in the game:
            Season 90s
            1st 19
            2nd 16
            3rd 18
            4th 16
            5th 20
            Looks like the number of in-game 90s is pretty consistently higher. Worth noting that the lowest in-game season was still higher than the highest real cricket season.

            Caveats/assumptions/limitations:

            - Sheffield Shield season playing as South Australia
            - Every game was played without my input (i.e. skipped) so I didn't impact on selection, training, etc.
            - Each season was sim'd by playing the first season in the game five separate times to minimise the impact of regens, rather than five consecutive seasons, for example.
            - Did not check Shield games in different eras for comparison. I'd imagine in, say, the 1990s there were fewer scores in the 90s, though (assuming bloody Steve Waugh wasn't playing).

            A few notes:

            - Only two batsmen scored 99 in the real cricket Shield seasons whereas there were 99s in every in-game season (9 in total).
            - Only once in the real cricket seasons were any of those 90s scored by two batsmen in the same game whereas this happened a few times in-game.
            - Did not track OD games or international games at all. Maybe these would be different although I suspect not.
            Are you able to get a similar table for other scoring intervals for 50+ scores? Anecdotally I find that getting out in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s to be fairly equally spread. Always easier to remember the missed opportunities in the 90s too.

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            • #7
              There are some interesting numbers in here from Top_Cat

              I'd be interested in knowing what runs over a season players get in-game compared to real life in the Shield?

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              • #8
                Top-5 run-scorers in Shield 2015-2020
                2019/20
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                N Maddinson 780 86.66 2 5 224
                T Cooper 765 54.64 1 4 271*
                S Marsh 724 48.26 2 3 241
                C Green 699 63.54 3 1 158*
                D Hughes 665 44.33 2 3 136
                2018/19
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                M Harris 1188 69.88 3 6 250*
                M Wade 1021 60.05 2 8 137
                A Doolan 761 38.05 1 6 115
                D Hughes 742 39.05 2 4 134
                K Patterson 724 40.22 2 4 134
                2017/18
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                M Renshaw 804 44.66 3 3 170
                M Labuschagne 795 39.75 2 4 134
                C Ferguson 780 48.75 1 5 182*
                J Weatherald 765 38.25 2 4 152
                J Doran 756 44.47 1 6 114
                2016/17
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                E Cowan 959 73.76 3 5 212
                H Cartwright 861 53.81 2 5 170*
                G Bailey 839 59.92 2 4 200*
                M Harris 808 42.52 2 4 120
                M Henriques 775 64.58 2 4 265
                2015/16
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                B Dunk 837 46.5 4 2 190
                T Dean 807 44.83 3 4 154*
                P Handscombe 784 43.55 3 4 137
                G Bailey 761 47.56 3 3 148*
                M Renshaw 738 43.41 2 1 170

                Top-5 for the 5 in-game seasons
                Season 1
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                K Patterson 913 57.06 2 5 148
                C Ferguson 797 41.95 2 2 414
                J Wildermuth 768 51.2 2 2 131
                B McDermott 746 49.73 0 7 92
                M Marsh 730 52.14 2 4 162*
                Season 2
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                N Maddinson 964 64.27 3 5 193*
                K Patterson 860 57.33 2 5 169
                M Renshaw 848 53 2 5 176
                W Pucovski 823 48.41 3 2 140*
                H Hunt 820 43.16 1 4 231
                Season 3
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                J Silk 1025 60.29 3 5 188
                W Bosisto 847 42.35 1 7 172
                D Short 831 46.17 1 5 122
                D Hughes 831 46.17 1 4 189
                H Hunt 801 47.12 2 4 112
                Season 4
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                M Bryant 826 48.59 4 2 145
                C Bancroft 756 47.25 3 5 110
                M Harris 747 39.32 1 4 203
                J Silk 734 36.7 1 5 128
                J Wildermuth 706 58.83 1 4 134*
                Season 5
                Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                J Weatherald 860 53.75 2 3 192*
                D Short 789 52.6 2 3 199*
                N Maddinson 726 36.3 2 3 175
                W Bosisto 677 33.85 0 6 82
                J Burns 655 54.58 2 1 229*

                Generally, scoring 1000+ in an Aussie season is a milestone and certainly we haven't seen many dudes do this since the 90's, where it was relatively regular. I'd say the in-game season totals are comparable to most eras but the averages and high scores are a bit low. Without checking the 50-90 scores (that would be a lot of work), I'd pin it on the lack of regular 'daddy tons' and higher numbers of 90s, rather than any patterns 50-90.

                I've kept save games for each season if that'll help.

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                • #9
                  And just to show the runs in-game compare to other eras, here's the top-5 Shield run-scorers at the beginning and end of each decade for the last few decades.
                  1999/00 1990/91
                  Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                  M Elliott 1028 68.53 4 4 183* S Law 1087 7764 3 8 142*
                  D Lehmann 995 58.52 6 1 149 J Siddons 973 69.5 4 2 245
                  R Campbell 885 49.16 2 5 203 S Small 902 47.47 2 6 123
                  M Hussey 874 51.41 3 3 172* G Hick 845 49.7 3 4 155
                  J Arnberger 869 43.45 2 5 214 P Nobes 774 48.37 1 7 114*
                  1989/90 1980/81
                  Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                  M Waugh 967 80.58 5 2 198* G Chappell 906 113.25 4 3 194
                  D Lehmann 953 52.94 4 2 228 J Dyson 815 90.55 3 4 152
                  T Bayliss 901 56.31 2 5 115 M Kent 809 67.41 2 5 171
                  G Ritchie 805 50.31 2 4 213* K Wessels 747 53.35 2 2 160
                  G Shipperd 788 52.53 3 2 200* B Davison 697 69.7 3 2 173
                  1979/80 1970/71
                  Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                  I Chappell 713 47.53 3 2 158* B Richards 1101 100.09 4 3 356
                  J Moss 711 50.78 2 4 132 J Benaud 761 58.53 2 4 130
                  J Dyson 679 45.26 0 5 99 K Eastwood 737 122.82 3 1 221
                  T Chappell 674 42.12 2 2 150 R Inverarity 700 58.33 2 4 148
                  K Wessels 621 38.81 0 6 93 I Chappell 648 58.9 1 5 129
                  1969/70 1960/61
                  Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                  G Chappell 856 65.84 4 3 156* W Lawry 813 62.53 2 3 266
                  D Chadwick 755 58.07 2 5 119 S Trimble 679 48.5 2 3 126
                  S Trimble 664 47.42 2 3 129 J Lill 647 43.13 2 3 128
                  J Steele 617 68.55 3 2 158 P Burge 628 57.09 2 2 240
                  K Eastwood 584 41.71 2 1 146 I Craig 627 57 3 0 197
                  1959/60 1950/51
                  Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS Player Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                  R Simpson 902 300.66 3 3 236* A Hassett 770 77 3 2 179
                  R Booth 718 65.27 2 3 177 R Harvey 609 55.36 3 1 146
                  J McLaughlin 683 48.78 2 5 117* K Miller 607 121.4 3 2 201*
                  R Flockton 627 78.37 1 4 264* K Mackay 597 54.27 2 4 139*
                  G Reynolds 604 40.26 3 1 151 P Ridings 541 41.61 1 4 114
                  And just because I'm here (Monday night, pandemic, etc.), here's Bradman's career Shield stats.
                  Year Matches Runs Avg 100 50 HS
                  1927/28 5 416 46.22 2 1 134*
                  1928/29 5 893 148.83 4 1 340*
                  1929/30 6 894 111.75 1 4 452*
                  1930/31 4 695 115.83 3 1 258
                  1931/32 3 213 42.6 1 0 167
                  1932/33 3 600 150 2 3 238
                  1933/34 5 922 184.4 4 2 253
                  1934/35 - - - - - -
                  1935/36 6 739 123.16 3 0 357
                  1936/37 4 416 83.2 2 0 192
                  1937/38 6 983 98.3 4 4 246
                  1938/39 6 990 110 5 0 215
                  1939/40 6 1062 132.75 3 4 267
                  1940/41 2 18 4.5 0 0 12
                  1941/42 WWII
                  1942/43 WWII
                  1943/44 WWII
                  1944/45 WWII
                  1945/46 2 232 116 1 2 112
                  1946/47 1 162 81 1 0 119
                  1947/48 1 100 100 1 0 100
                  Only played a full Shield season for half of his career, scored half his season runs in one knock in 29/30 then just cruised for the rest of the summer like a slack prick and his form fell of a cliff a decade later in 40/41 with two first-nut blobs in four knocks before he was saved by WWII.

                  Bit of a hack eh.
                  Last edited by Top_Cat; 01-12-2021, 05:56 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Two posts I did on these are apparently unapproved. Is there a soft limit on post lengths or something?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Top_Cat View Post
                      Two posts I did on these are apparently unapproved. Is there a soft limit on post lengths or something?
                      No, editing of posts can trigger the anti-spam software. The anti-spam is quite aggressive, we've had some pretty nasty spam attacks on the forum in the past, so we want to keep that away from people! I've approved those posts.

                      Good info.

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                      • #12
                        Good analysis Top_Cat.

                        It may be a useful feature if there was a way to export performance data from the game so we can run analysis on it via a spreadsheet etc if we can't already.

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