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  • RVallant
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    Originally posted by saviopaes View Post
    Any tips on the t20 format? Am not quite able to get around how to play the format - I either go very aggressive or 3 bars and I'm struggling! How do I cope?

    The problem with T20 IMO is that it is very RNG dependent in CC15. I personally think it is due to how the settled mechanics work. (Note, this is equally the same for the AI as it is for human players in my experience.)

    You have to open aggressive, but doing that without being settled = means you have a higher chance of getting out. In fact, in T20 on CC wickets fall too often compared to reality, it isn't unusual to get 10 wickets, when generally you'd be looking at 6 if you're lucky on an average match. If you can survive the initial onslaught and 'settle' you're usually home free, the trouble is 'settling' is so damn slow 99% of the time that you simply cannot drop the rate to 'settle' the bats because it works out as being uneconomical in the long run (and T20 being so short a format, that means wasting 2-3 balls settling and getting out = more painful than swinging and getting LBW first ball. You can do this in OD matches because you can always ramp the aggression up to make up for it later.)

    The run rate has to be between 8-9 an over, again that's the statistical average of a T20 International match, the record is something stupid like 13/14 an over, so you'd think 7+ is okay for a domestic cricket 20/20 match.

    When I did stats research for T20 it is obvious the game is one of fine margins, if you hit the par score, you're usually okay. But you can drop say, 2-3 runs from the par and you lose almost 20% of your win chance, which is staggering.

    Again, there's no real strategy to the format in CC as you can't fine tune the batting style (or even the bowling really, short of field selections) ~ you're really at the mercy of RNG here.

    The conventional wisdom in T20 bowling in CC is to bowl wide and 100% defensive, because any aggression from the bowler gets punished. The issues are two fold; 1. bowling with aggression leaks runs (which you don't want) in favour of wickets (which you do want, but not at the expense of runs). And 2. Attacking requires bowling 'in line' which is very line+length and doesn't work in the shorter format, where bowling variety is more important, especially for seamers (but again, you don't have the tools to do that)

    In CC 0 aggression bowling is wide of off stump and a stacked off field. In reality you'd be smashed for six and four nearly every ball for doing this, anything wide is thumped away on the off side regardless, and anything wide off and short in the modern format is slogged to the legside, with batters walking across, or simply hooking. CC15 (and I would bet money on the later editions) simply doesn't work in this way, hence why both you and the AI can resort to the same tactics with the same outcomes.

    In an ideal world, the T20 engine would be revamped to take into account the batting/bowling tactical set ups of reality, but that's impossible in a game as straightforward as this in terms of user interaction at the moment. (In other words, it would need visible attributes, scouting, bowling and fielding plans of a more in depth nature, things which, if they haven't been implemented in 2023, are never happening, sorry if that's a downer, that's my opinion on the matter, simply because T20 is a very aggressive tactical battle where each ball counts, and so you really do need to get into the very minutiae of a batting/bowling set up, unlike Tests and OD where you can set and forget.)

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  • Winston
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    Just added all field settings for all three lines for each bowling type as a custom field setting. Named the by what they are as a field setting, e.g. ‘5-4 off 2slp’ for a 5-4 offside field with two slip fielders. Gives the full range of defaults , 6-3, 7-2, 4-5 for all bowlers at any time, irrespective of line. More realistic!!! Still have some others such as a ‘Yorks wall’ - very economical ????.

    In my view a good use of half an hour.

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  • saviopaes
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    Any tips on the t20 format? Am not quite able to get around how to play the format - I either go very aggressive or 3 bars and I'm struggling! How do I cope?

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  • PostmanPissed
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    Originally posted by Luke Wrights Highlights View Post
    This is very good advice. But can somebody tell me, is the game a lot harder this year or is it just me getting older?!

    Playing as Sussex so not the top side but we have some decent batsment yet I struggle to get to 250 at any time in FC and rarely to 200 in OD.

    I’ve played this game for many years and have always done quite well, especially FC but this year I’m appalling as I can never post a score of note. I’m not aware I’m doing anything differently yet there have been times I’ve been 30 odd for 6 on a flat wicket in good conditions!

    Can anyone help me?!
    When batting in FC Matches I generally run with 2 bar aggression until 40% settled, then up to 3 bars.

    To be more detailed I play ball by ball, and once my batsmen hit a boundary in an over, or have scored 4 runs, I drop the aggression to zero for the rest of the over to try and maintain their wicket. Keep an eye on the conditions and light as well, If conditions are cloudy bat with 1 or 2 bars. If its very cloudy defensive batsmen zero aggression, other batsmen 0-1 bar. The same when the light is bad. I f you notice one of the opposition bowlers is expensive, up the aggression by 1 bar for a settled batsman, but watch the field placings.

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  • PostmanPissed
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    I think I've got the hang of bowling in FC games.

    What I have been going with is:-

    F-MF - Full aggression for 6 overs with the new ball, dropping to 5 bars until the 10th over. Bowling at 4 bars when a batsman is settled. If getting expensive drop to 3 bars.
    Spinners - Generally bowl at 3 bars, 4 bars when bowling aggressively or even 5 bars when trying to get the 1-2 wickets to win a game late on the 4th day. If expensive drop to 2 or 1 bar.
    M-FM - Bowl at 2 bars, if expensive drop to 1-0 bar.

    I recently played a county match against Lancashire, leaving Lancs 300 to win with two and a half sessions to play on the last day. Initially I started aggressive with my strike pairing Porter and Wagner, and off spinner Harmer, but only had 1 wicket before lunch, and a quick wicket straight after lunch. Lancashire were going for it, so I dropped my aggression for all bowlers, Porter and Wagner the exception, they bowled at 4 bar. Harmer was bowling at 2 bar aggression, with Sam Cook and Ravi Bopara bowling at 1 bar. I won the match easily, ok the pitch was erratic and turning on the last day, but the wickets were shared quite evenly throughout the bowling line up.

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  • Sureshot
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    I'm currently playing as Sussex as well, first season is pretty tough. I signed Chesney Hughes which helped me in the runs front. Wells, Wright, Brown and van Zyl all scored runs for me, but I did struggle with the others.

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  • Luke Wrights Highlights
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    This is very good advice. But can somebody tell me, is the game a lot harder this year or is it just me getting older?!

    Playing as Sussex so not the top side but we have some decent batsment yet I struggle to get to 250 at any time in FC and rarely to 200 in OD.

    I’ve played this game for many years and have always done quite well, especially FC but this year I’m appalling as I can never post a score of note. I’m not aware I’m doing anything differently yet there have been times I’ve been 30 odd for 6 on a flat wicket in good conditions!

    Can anyone help me?!

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  • Jobi1K
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    Don't suppose there's any chance of you doing a similar guide for T20? I'm back to Cricket Captain series after many years away and I'm really struggling to win in the shortest format!

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  • RVallant
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    I just popped in having seen the 2018 release on Steam. Was wondering why this sounded familiar! Well, I'm glad it's helped over the years.


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  • Sureshot
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    And copied in to the 2018 forum as well.

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  • Sureshot
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    Et voila.

    Copied over, should still be in 2016 forum too.

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  • Dick Van Dykes Disco Dog
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    Any chance we get can this moved across to the 2017 page?
    some really good tips on this thread

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  • GrahamB
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    Originally posted by 512fm View Post
    Would be interested in hearing peoples bowling tactics in OD games. Just failed to defend 357 against Pakistan and anything i tinkered with (length/line or fields) just seemed hopeless.
    Try bowling normal length outside offstump, unless the batsman has an offside preference. In that case bowl at middle. 3 bars aggression throughout at either a 2 field or 1 field.

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  • 512fm
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    Would be interested in hearing peoples bowling tactics in OD games. Just failed to defend 357 against Pakistan and anything i tinkered with (length/line or fields) just seemed hopeless.

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  • GrahamB
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    Originally posted by StanBeal97 View Post
    What bowling aggression should I use in OD and T20 games? Same as in FC, or?

    In T20, I bowl at 3 aggression outside off stump to the most defensive field possible.

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