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    Imagine the scene. It’s a cold May afternoon in England. There has been a lot of rainfall in the past few days and the forecast suggests there’s more to come. A small but dedicated weekday crowd hears the faint ring of the coin toss; hairs on their body are awakened by the prospect of the impending World Cup... and the cold weather for which they are clad in traditional British Mac coats. The coin lands, the match referee looks up. The crowd wait in anticipation having no clue about who called what. A young, probably new, member of staff runs to the middle with a microphone just in time for everyone to hear that the South African captain has decided to bowl - an obvious decision. The West Indies captain looks up at the sky and with a look of resignation toddles himself off to the changing rooms.

    Out stroll the West Indies openers. “Is that Chris Gayle?!” a confused middle aged man says to his fellow early retiree while pointing at John Campbell. Alas, this is a warm up and the universe boss has no time for that. As Campbell and his partner, Shai Hope, walk out, fans in the crowd stick out their palms in dread as a pattern of light rain falls. This time it is brief. The South African fielders settle, the wicket keeper looking ready, the umpire sways his arm from to signify the start of play and in runs the bowler.

    The ball hoops, whizzes and pops in testing conditions. Batsmen walk to and fro with monotonous regularity to and from the pavilion. Partnerships gather here and there while runs can be acquired from spin and less experienced bowling. Despite the conditions, an optimistic crowd feels perhaps the men from the Caribbean have got more than enough in these testing conditions. As Oshane Thomas gets a not so quick and not so elegant single from the last ball, the South Africans look up at the scoreboard with concern. 230 is a big score in these conditions and with a decent bowling line up, this is going to be very tough!

    Well imagine my shock when the South Africans aren’t concerned about the badly deteriorating pitch, almost pitch black light and heavy cloud above and score at 11 runs per over and knock it off style!

    Seriously what the hell! Do the conditions just not apply to the AI? They massively effect my batting in all forms but it seems like every pitch is a flat paradise to the opposition.

    TL;DR - the AI are flat track bullies even when it isn’t a flat track

  • #2
    Cannot say that I have experienced the same. This appears to be a one off. The bounce rating is usually the key guide in deciding how bad the pitch is. If it is average/uneven bounce then it is usually very tough to bat on. Having said that sometimes the pitch plays a lot different to what the conditions say - it is only to be used as a guide.

    Another factor is that WI players are rated fairly badly in CC19 whereas South African players are rated highly. If you were overly aggressive with the ball (3+ aggression) then you are likely to spew runs against quality batsmen.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by bryce87 View Post
      Cannot say that I have experienced the same. This appears to be a one off. The bounce rating is usually the key guide in deciding how bad the pitch is. If it is average/uneven bounce then it is usually very tough to bat on. Having said that sometimes the pitch plays a lot different to what the conditions say - it is only to be used as a guide.

      Another factor is that WI players are rated fairly badly in CC19 whereas South African players are rated highly. If you were overly aggressive with the ball (3+ aggression) then you are likely to spew runs against quality batsmen.
      That’s the thing, I wasn’t! I knew that they’d have better luck in the conditions and bowled as I usually would. Maybe it was a fluke but I feel like it happens a lot. Honestly I’ll get over it, it was just funny to me more than anything else haha!

      It’s a load of bullshit that Windies players are rated so poorly. It gives a good challenge tho so I feel like I’ve accomplished more if I win with them!

      This problem is probably a function of how I’ve played the game in the past. In the past 5 editions I’ve only played test matches so I could just hit that zero aggression if it got too testing while batting.

      Any advice on conditions? You reckon the bounce is best indication? Does the weather even matter?

      Thanks for responding! Also I’m enjoying your India career!

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Ainsley95 View Post

        That’s the thing, I wasn’t! I knew that they’d have better luck in the conditions and bowled as I usually would. Maybe it was a fluke but I feel like it happens a lot. Honestly I’ll get over it, it was just funny to me more than anything else haha!

        It’s a load of bullshit that Windies players are rated so poorly. It gives a good challenge tho so I feel like I’ve accomplished more if I win with them!

        This problem is probably a function of how I’ve played the game in the past. In the past 5 editions I’ve only played test matches so I could just hit that zero aggression if it got too testing while batting.

        Any advice on conditions? You reckon the bounce is best indication? Does the weather even matter?

        Thanks for responding! Also I’m enjoying your India career!
        No worries. Here is my general understanding of the conditions:

        Weather: cloudy/very cloudy suits M and FM bowlers
        Bounce: average/uneven suits bowlers, perfect suits batsmen but also can aid F and MF bowlers
        Wear: very good suits batsmen, average/turning suits spinners

        As I mentioned before this is only a guide. I've had twin spinners run through quality batting orders on pitches with perfect bounce and very good wear. But I find this to be a good guide when selecting a playing XI, such as playing extra bowlers in batting conditions and longer batting lineups in bowling conditions.
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        • #5
          Not sure zero aggression should be used outside of batting out a final day. Got to keep scoring, I'm generally on 4 once settled.

          WIndies are a very tough country to balance, they should be good at 20 Over, inconsistent in ODI and pretty poor in Tests. They have some talent in real life, which I feel is reflected, but you do have to "find" them. Judging player ability is made incredibly hard by the dominance of spin and poor pitches in WIndies domestic cricket. There are countless spinners who average 15 with the ball in WIDom.

          We might need to do some work on it, like we did with South Africa a few years ago, but I feel it's roughly right. I'd love to see WIndies be doing better, but there's so much political stuff going on that is affecting the development of players.

          I feel SA are about right, they've hit a transitional period at just the wrong time, at a World Cup year. With AB retiring, Hashim struggling for form and Steyn being in a constant injury cloud. I also feel SA selectors have some pretty poor selection decisions.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Sureshot View Post
            Not sure zero aggression should be used outside of batting out a final day. Got to keep scoring, I'm generally on 4 once settled.

            WIndies are a very tough country to balance, they should be good at 20 Over, inconsistent in ODI and pretty poor in Tests. They have some talent in real life, which I feel is reflected, but you do have to "find" them. Judging player ability is made incredibly hard by the dominance of spin and poor pitches in WIndies domestic cricket. There are countless spinners who average 15 with the ball in WIDom.

            We might need to do some work on it, like we did with South Africa a few years ago, but I feel it's roughly right. I'd love to see WIndies be doing better, but there's so much political stuff going on that is affecting the development of players.

            I feel SA are about right, they've hit a transitional period at just the wrong time, at a World Cup year. With AB retiring, Hashim struggling for form and Steyn being in a constant injury cloud. I also feel SA selectors have some pretty poor selection decisions.
            Thanks for responding!

            There seem to be spells on the game where your team just collapse spectacularly and even on zero aggression I can’t curtail that. The highlights in these situations can be stomach curdling; blokes going for the big shots despite being told to just block!

            While I’ve got you on this, what’s the craic with defensive and very defensive batsmen in tests. Kraigg Brathwaite, a man with a decent test match record can only decline in this engine. I was playing against England and I swear to god he batted a whole day and didn’t get to 20. The bloke faced 237 balls. So the engine ‘knows’ he’s good because usually that’d be a nailed on century, yet he nicks off in the morning in swinging conditions and looks like he’s not up for it.

            Shimron Hetmyer on the other hand will score at 100’s on 2 bar aggression. I feel like the test matches have been given the finger. I remember back in the day when people would say that the limited overs element of the game was “broken” because high run rates, by which I mean 5/6, were unsustainable over even a small period of time.

            Either way I’m sure I’m just bad. I’m sure I could potentially put pressure back on the bowlers and counter attack in situations where I would ordinarily get in my shell.

            Go well!

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            • #7
              Good point. We have not yet had a public comment from the developers about why aggressive batsmen are so free scoring in FC matches in this version, cf CC18. The balance seems very out and your example is yet another illustration of this.

              I thought CC18 had a good balance in terms of FC scoring rates, with maybe a little increase across the board needed. Like you said defensive batsmen score desperately slow in FC matches and TRR's do not seem to match up in CC19. Two aggression for a very aggressive batsman is 3.2 TRR but in reality they strike at about 4.5 runs an over on average, and easily score run a ball tons on two aggression, even on tough pitches when everyone else is getting out.
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              • #8
                I cant be sure if pitch conditions even affect the game....

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by morty View Post
                  I cant be sure if pitch conditions even affect the game....
                  Haha nah they do. Ravichandran Ashwin on the 4/5th day on a ‘sharp turn’ pitch in India is lethal. I’ve been bowled out for 50ish many times on day five saving the test match in those conditions. Obviously if you’re in India you need your spin specialist bastsmen. But as I like to play with WI that doesn’t make much difference

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                  • #10
                    This pitch was perfect bounce and very good wear and good weather. I was Pakistan and don't know if I have ever cleaned out a side for that little bowling first. I. The second innings all my players were only on 6 aggression. It goes to show that you can never rely on the conditions indicator.

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                    • #11
                      This pitch was good wear, good bounce, average outfield and overcast conditions. I had written myself off at the halfway stage so was shocked to chase it.
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                      • #12
                        History has been made by WI. Highest chase in test cricket history!

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