Database errors - Version 9.12

[mclaren007]

even ryan mclaren isnt there , hr is in an overseas league

[Graham_5000]

I Khan

I notice that Imraan Khan the South African batsmen with a batting av in high 30s is listed as a bowler

[LFC4LIFE]

I have the CD version - and it is upto date (9.13 I think)

However these are the following issues:

Dhoni: He is really poor in both forms of cricket and is a very slow batsman. This is completely rubbish - Dhoni is one of the best batsman in world cricket today with an ability to bat both aggressively or defensively depending upon the situation of the match and the number he bats at. Traditionally the salary of a player points towards the general talent or skill of the player (eg good player better salary). Dhoni only has a salary of 37,000 in this game. This also is rubbish. He is one of the most highly paid and in-demand cricketers in world cricket today. Also why is he not the default captain in the indian team??? Kindly make all these changes for MS Dhoni.

Yuvraj Singh: He is a very aggressive batsman and also one of the most dangerous in terms of world cricket today. Granted he is mainly a ODI and T20 specialist. In ICC 09 he is unable to play aggressively!

Suresh Raina: He is one of the most talented young batsmen in world cricket today- also very aggressive. Yet in ICC 09 very low salary and not much in terms of quick scoring either! need to change this.

lol what a bunch of KACK mate. granted reina is talented but neither is he very aggressive nor is he one of the most talented young batsmen in world cricket.
For the past 2 years dhoni has been awful for india, his batting has been poor and his keeping not much better. MS dhoni is a leading figure in india with regards to the media circles. He is an extremely in demand celebrity but where do u get in demand cricketer from? I dont see english county sides or even aussie county sides queuing up for him. Hes big in india as a personality and nothing else. He means nothing outside of india. If he is in top form then y r india flirting with playing other keepers? Dinesh karthik and partiv patel have both been used in recent times with no regard to dhoni. Obviously these two are your favourite players so your trying to 'big them up' in order to make them better but look at the facts. Reina is talented but by no means is he very aggressive. shahid afridi, sehwag, gayle, flintoff, gibbs, pietersen, yuvraj. cameron white etc constitute very aggressive and no way is reina in that league. Think before you post dude.

[LFC4LIFE]

Aren't I right in thinking Dhoni has been in poor(ish) form over the last couple of years? I thought his batting had waned a little.

Nigel mate ive played with india in this game. Dhoni is just about right, hes by no means world class and if you know how to play him then hes good. Infact i think dhoni is spot on. AI doesnt even put him into the final XI. Dinesh karthik is the default india keeper for tests. I dont think he is world class by any stretch of the imagination. Keep him how he is. India are an unjustified 5 stars in that game anyway which i dont believe they r in reality so it really balances itself out either way.

[Hooper]

Aren't I right in thinking Dhoni has been in poor(ish) form over the last couple of years? I thought his batting had waned a little.

Yes, he is crap, leave him.

[zeduck]

lol what a bunch of KACK mate. granted reina is talented but neither is he very aggressive nor is he one of the most talented young batsmen in world cricket.
For the past 2 years dhoni has been awful for india, his batting has been poor and his keeping not much better. MS dhoni is a leading figure in india with regards to the media circles. He is an extremely in demand celebrity but where do u get in demand cricketer from? I dont see english county sides or even aussie county sides queuing up for him. Hes big in india as a personality and nothing else. He means nothing outside of india. If he is in top form then y r india flirting with playing other keepers? Dinesh karthik and partiv patel have both been used in recent times with no regard to dhoni. Obviously these two are your favourite players so your trying to 'big them up' in order to make them better but look at the facts. Reina is talented but by no means is he very aggressive. shahid afridi, sehwag, gayle, flintoff, gibbs, pietersen, yuvraj. cameron white etc constitute very aggressive and no way is reina in that league. Think before you post dude.

Karthik was used as a specialist opener, and when Dhoni was either rested/injured, Patel for the same reason (and he only played one game in the last two years) so India certainly are not "flirting with playing other keepers" .. he's the captain of the team!

As for Dhoni's batting being awful in the past few years (this was brought up in a match commentary on Cricinfo a while ago) the stats point completely otherwise.

For Test Matches

Batting average of Dhoni in Tests Post April 2007 - April 2009: 43.31
Batting average of Dhoni in Tests (All) : 37.73
Batting average of Dhoni in Tests prior to April 2007 : 30.69

Links:

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...nd;view=series

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/...nd;view=series

So in test matches - he has definitely improved. Correctumondo?


Now we look at ODI's:

In ODI's the reading is even better!

Batting average in ODIs prior to July 2007 : 46.97
Batting average in ODIs from July 2007 - July 2009 : 53.92
Batting average in ODIs (career) : 50.18

So he has improved in both ODIs and Test matches in the last 2 years. Even though his batting style has changed. Do you want me to quote on S/R as well? Cos in ODIs, his career S/R is 90 - and it is 85 post 2007. (granted it has fallen but heck that is still an awesome S/R!)

I'm not arguing on the skill of him in the game, but he should at least be picked by India in the game, in the short-term anyway

[LFC4LIFE]

Karthik was used as a specialist opener, and when Dhoni was either rested/injured, Patel for the same reason (and he only played one game in the last two years) so India certainly are not "flirting with playing other keepers" .. he's the captain of the team!

As for Dhoni's batting being awful in the past few years (this was brought up in a match commentary on Cricinfo a while ago) the stats point completely otherwise.



I'm not arguing on the skill of him in the game, but he should at least be picked by India in the game, in the short-term anyway

I certainly agree with you on that point that he should be picked but to say hes world class is slightly over the top. If by what your implying in previous posts than T20 cricket is MS dhonis & suresh rainas game. They won it in 07 thanks to some excellent team work and a poor shot selection by misbah ul haq but in 09 they were truly dreadful.Dhonis captaincy and performance was awful and he was nowhere to be seen. He was eclipsed by nearly every single keeper from every other nation. Suresh reina might aswell not have turned up and yuvraj who i believe to be in the top 3 of t20 batsmen wasent good either. India were dreadful and deserved to go out on such a low after some poor performances. IMHO Dhoni was an excellent all round cricketer before he was made captain but the demands put on him are just too high for him to perform as an all round top player and as a captain at the same time. He is an A list celeb in India. Hes the tom cruise of india and alongside the legend that is actor sharukh khan he is one of the publics biggest idols. On the pitch however recently he hasent been the same and in order for him to get it back he needs to be stripped of the captaincy and told to just concentrate purely on the playing side of the game and nothing else and then and only then will india have the real ms dhoni back, the one who tore apart bowling lineups with his excellent improvised pinch hitting. His keeping has never been world class but his batting was there or thereabouts. I would love to see him back to the top of his game but while he is captain it wont happen.

[the_trademarc]

No player can bat in the top order, keep a whole innings (2 in Test Matches) and captain the most one-eyed result related country in the world (ie. India).
Adam Gilchrist has said his career shortened 12 months because of having to captain 3 Tests in India (2004), its only expected Dhoni's performances will reduce as he captains more games.

Dhoni will never be in the same league, batsman wise, as Tendulkar, Ponting, et. al, but he is a decent enough batsman to warrant a fair go in the game.

In saying that, if he wasn't a keeper, I don't think he will playing Test Matches for India. Just not good enough, and India haven't got any better wicketkeepers (full-time) to cover that spot.

[the_trademarc]

Inconsistency In Fixture

This is the batting chart for C White of Australia in the 2011 World Cup.

It can be clearly seen that he played a FC game between the Qtr Final and Semi Final.
Don't think that would happen

[str]

That's nonsense. Kallis' fastest-ever recorded pace was something like 147 kmh; he hasn't consistently bowled in the 140s for about nine or ten years. These days his stock delivery is firmly in the 130s, sometimes hitting 140 if the pitch is particularly lively.

I saw him bowling 154kmh . He was a RF . After many injuries now he bowls 135s .

I remember last T20 world cup . He bowled a 148 kmph delivery . I try to watch every game of South Africa for last 12 years . I was a Hansie Cronje fan . I have never seen a better captain than him . He made today's South Africa .

I've watched Kallis for 12 years . Watch South Africa matches . You will understand .

The topic was which is faster ? RFM or RMF ?


What about Shane Watson ? Why He is a RFM ? If RMF is faster .

Chaminda Vaas bowls 125 regularly . He is LFM in ICC 09. You can't say Chaminda Vaas is as fast as Jack Kallis .

If Jack Kallis is RFM then Vaas is LM .

[LFC4LIFE]

No player can bat in the top order, keep a whole innings (2 in Test Matches) and captain the most one-eyed result related country in the world (ie. India).
Adam Gilchrist has said his career shortened 12 months because of having to captain 3 Tests in India (2004), its only expected Dhoni's performances will reduce as he captains more games.

Dhoni will never be in the same league, batsman wise, as Tendulkar, Ponting, et. al, but he is a decent enough batsman to warrant a fair go in the game.

In saying that, if he wasn't a keeper, I don't think he will playing Test Matches for India. Just not good enough, and India haven't got any better wicketkeepers (full-time) to cover that spot.

Spot on mate, exactly what im trying to convey.

[rikkym]

Dhoni - batting in ODIs.

First of all, lets not talk without backing up our arguments with statistics.. All my statements (about Dhoni) were made after careful and close statistical analysis of career averages in batting and since you have brought up the issue of keeping, I will touch on that too. As for Raina, I researched him after you smashed him and I concede that my statement about him is wrong. He is good as is in ICC09. Regardless, this post is mainly about Dhoni's keeping and batting abilities, and mainly in ODIs. And I maintain - Dhoni is definitely world class, and as you will go on to see - a superb batsman.

First of all in regards to MS Dhoni's keeping:

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content...ds/283792.html
will tell you that Dhoni has 179 dismissals from 139 matches in ODIs.

This places him in 10th position in the all-time ODI wicketkeepers list for dismissals. The only other current players ahead of him are - Sangakarra and Boucher with Mccullum close on his heels (175). While I do not claim him to be one of the greatest keepers ever, the statistics (if we go by these alone) shows him up to be as above average.

In wicketkeeping one could also look at the dismissals per match ratio - and Dhoni at 1.31 is ahead of McCullum, almost equal to Sangakarra and numbero uno is Boucher (1.42)

Now we move on to ODI batting.
This is what the biggest debate is about (his batting) and where I say that he is almost number one in the world if not numero uno and some others don't quite think quite highly off them. Dhoni has a batting average of 50.18 (4th on the all time ODI batting averages list). This is behind Bevan and Hussey. I cannot overstate how amazing this statistic is - especially given he has this average over the course of 139 games already (Hussey by comparison has played 109). Not saying Dhoni is better than Hussey. But saying he is definitely up there in the rankings when it comes to ODI batsmen.
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/content...ds/282911.html

I cannot yet find a "keeper-specific" batting chart which compares all the wicketkeepers batting averages (maybe its glaringly obvious through statsguru - but its late in the night!). But if I do come across it, I will definitely post it up.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there are statistics that back up the skill and talent that (I say) Dhoni has, both in wicketkeeping and batting. Apart from being a valuable member of the Indian squad he is clearly the new age Tendulkar - who the team relies on time and time again, and time and time again he delivers (not everytime! but most times!)

If anyone has stats to back up their statements about Dhoni not being as good as I think he is, and that he should have a salary of 90,000+ in ICC09 (cmon - Manoj Tiwary has $80,000!), and that he should be in the default Indian squad and as Captain, and that he should generally have a better skill level in this game - then please do continue the argument. It is very fascinating

I leave you with a super-random Dhoni quote:
"I've shifted to milkshakes, but I ensure that I get my daily quota."
Mahendra Singh Dhoni makes sure that he drinks one litre of buffalo milk a day

[royzan92]

How about having Stuart Broad as an all-rounder? He has proven that he is more than just a bowler who can hold an end up in this current Ashes series (234 runs at 29.25).

[qaisfarooq]

stuart broad does pretty well as a bat in icc 09 mate... he bats for me at no3 in my online games and has scored a couple of good 50's...

the one i am not too happy about is jayasuriya... i played for a bit as sl but he just can get runs...

[the_trademarc]

At the end of the day, Stuart Broad will probably become quite a good/handy all-rounder. Like Mitchell Johnson, he has all the attributes, it just need to click.
At this stage, however, he is still a bowler who can bit quite a bit, and once he starts hitting the 50's and 100's on a consistent basis, whilst also doing his bit as a bowler (which is his primary function at the end of the day) then I feel that is when his, and others, status should be upgraded to All-Rounder.