Why am i so bad at this?

[waapwoop]

Hi,

I'm new to the game. Hence why i am probably bad. I need some tips.
I played the 2010 season with NSW, i won 2 one day games, and lost the rest. Lost all the T20 games, and drew most of the First Class games, losing 2.

Now in 2011 season, won 1 First Class game, and lost all one dayers so far.

I can't seem to bowl very well. At first I just kept clicking bowl, and randomly changing things. Next i tried changing things more. Next i tried not changing things. Now i'm reading the batsmen preferences and doing the opposite.
None of these things seem to help.
I train the under 36 bowlers, my bowlers all seem to have some kind of form. tried all experienced, mix old and younger, and all younger... no difference.

I am a bit better with batting, can seem to get big scores in first class games. In one dayers, i'm not that good. average about 200, don't know if thats good or not.

Help.!!

[waapwoop]

I started again with a new theory from another forum.


"One day/ODI

Batting:

Openers: One on 5 the other on 4. Bump up to 5 when settled and have one batsman bat on 6 while the other remains on 5 as an "anchor".

All other batsmen should come in on 4 aggression then move onto 5 when settled.

Some advice I've seen on the forums state to bump up to one short of full aggression in the last 10 overs if you have plenty of wickets to play with.

Bowling:

1 bar of aggression during power play

0 bar of aggression at all other times. "


with this advice I beat sri lanka with NSW in an ODI. Then lost one. Then in the shield matches I won another one and lost 4. so still doing badly.
Managed to win one first class game, and draw 3.




Do other people actually win at this game?


A question about training, when i set a player in coaching, sometimes I get a message that they are better, but mostly i don't. are they still getting better, or am i wasting my time coaching them, and should i put more into batting/bowling practice instead of techniue training.

[Phylos Fett]

In ODIs I usually start my batsmen at 3. After 10 balls or runs, I go to 4, then 5, then 6 (10 runs or balls per increase, whichever is higher). I seldom go over 6 - maybe if I have plenty of wickets in hand, but the batsmen usually get out, which slows the momentum.

Also, I try to bowl first most of the time - just a personal preference. And I like to try to keep the opposition to less than 200 runs, which is not as hard as it seems (in 2008).

I always start my bowlers at 4 out of 6 bars of aggression, and with the field as spread as allowed by restrictions (or 1 less than spread if not in a PowerPlay). For every 10 runs the batsman scores, I drop the aggression by 1, and at 0 aggression, I have the field right back.

[edit]I also bowl the opposite to a batsman's strengths, too - if he is good on the front foot, I bowl to the back foot, good on the off, I bowl on the leg, and so on.[/edit]

Also, I try to have at least 6 guys in my team that can bowl. I bowl all my guys in 5 over bursts, whether they are bowling good, bad, or otherwise in the early overs of their spell. I try to have two quicks in the side for the new ball, and then play the other bowlers based on their bowling averages. If a slow bowler bowls an awesome spell (taking wickets and/or keeping the runs down) I'll let him bowl all 10 in the one spell. Usually, by the end of 30 overs, all 6 bowlers have had a 5 over spell each, so the lucky 4 best bowlers get to bowl out the innings. Normally, I bowl the worst 2 of those 4 first (as far as current game stats go) and let the better 2 close. Depending on how many wickets have fallen (if I am getting close to the tail) I might save my quicks for the last 10, but that just depends on how the game is going.

Keep in mind, I do play 2008, but I have played all of the older versions, too. Wasted many a night when I was at uni playing ICC when I could have been studying. But, I also play as Bangladesh, and my team is now in the 2023 season, and I have been #1 Ranked in ODIs for about 5 years. I don't win every game, and I don't win every series, even, but enough to keep me at the top of the ranking. With a stronger team, I might bat a touch more aggressively, or bowl more aggressively, or something else, but that is all about feel, and getting used to your team.

I am also quite found of selecting a squad with a couple of younger players (16 to 21 year olds), that sometimes never get to play, but get the valuable coaching. If I have a 2-0 lead in the best of 3 series, I'll pick a few of the young/uncapped players, and "rest" my stars - I've already won the series, so I let the young guys get some international experience. I like a player to have 10 ODIs under his belt before I judge him, unless he is woeful, and his domestic OD ranking falls, and someone better comes along.

Batting line-up for me is fairly simple - I like to have openers opening, but if there aren't any that are anywhere close to the rest of the good players, I'll go without them. Then the batting order is based on batting average, pure and simple. I'll shuffle the order several times in a series if the averages move up and down.

I'd give you my advice on Test matches, if you like, but my Bangladesh team isn't as good at Tests, and this post was quite long.

[cricfan1]

In ODIs I usually start my batsmen at 3. After 10 balls or runs, I go to 4, then 5, then 6 (10 runs or balls per increase, whichever is higher). I seldom go over 6 - maybe if I have plenty of wickets in hand, but the batsmen usually get out, which slows the momentum.

Also, I try to bowl first most of the time - just a personal preference. And I like to try to keep the opposition to less than 200 runs, which is not as hard as it seems (in 2008).

I always start my bowlers at 4 out of 6 bars of aggression, and with the field as spread as allowed by restrictions (or 1 less than spread if not in a PowerPlay). For every 10 runs the batsman scores, I drop the aggression by 1, and at 0 aggression, I have the field right back.

Also, I try to have at least 6 guys in my team that can bowl. I bowl all my guys in 5 over bursts, whether they are bowling good, bad, or otherwise in the early overs of their spell. I try to have two quicks in the side for the new ball, and then play the other bowlers based on their bowling averages. If a slow bowler bowls an awesome spell (taking wickets and/or keeping the runs down) I'll let him bowl all 10 in the one spell. Usually, by the end of 30 overs, all 6 bowlers have had a 5 over spell each, so the lucky 4 best bowlers get to bowl out the innings. Normally, I bowl the worst 2 of those 4 first (as far as current game stats go) and let the better 2 close. Depending on how many wickets have fallen (if I am getting close to the tail) I might save my quicks for the last 10, but that just depends on how the game is going.

Keep in mind, I do play 2008, but I have played all of the older versions, too. Wasted many a night when I was at uni playing ICC when I could have been studying. But, I also play as Bangladesh, and my team is now in the 2023 season, and I have been #1 Ranked in ODIs for about 5 years. I don't win every game, and I don't win every series, even, but enough to keep me at the top of the ranking. With a stronger team, I might bat a touch more aggressively, or bowl more aggressively, or something else, but that is all about feel, and getting used to your team.

I am also quite found of selecting a squad with a couple of younger players (16 to 21 year olds), that sometimes never get to play, but get the valuable coaching. If I have a 2-0 lead in the best of 3 series, I'll pick a few of the young/uncapped players, and "rest" my stars - I've already won the series, so I let the young guys get some international experience. I like a player to have 10 ODIs under his belt before I judge him, unless he is woeful, and his domestic OD ranking falls, and someone better comes along.

Batting line-up for me is fairly simple - I like to have openers opening, but if there aren't any that are anywhere close to the rest of the good players, I'll go without them. Then the batting order is based on batting average, pure and simple. I'll shuffle the order several times in a series if the averages move up and down.

I'd give you my advice on Test matches, if you like, but my Bangladesh team isn't as good at Tests, and this post was quite long.

Yes you are right some bit

First thing : No one can be No. 1 From the First day.It required many hours of Play and experiance then You can make your good strategy

In Test You require a good spinners Just as in real life With out them you
cannot win single game in Test

20-20 I dont know I still weak in 20-20 If any one is good then He can give suggestion

One day : Above suggestions are good But manual field setting should also
mentioned

[Phylos Fett]

One day : Above suggestions are good But manual field setting should also mentioned

I used to mess around with manual field settings, but I can't be bothered these days - doesn't seem to hurt me too much in the ODIs...

[Phylos Fett]

As an aside, I just played a ODI against India (turns out they are now ranked #1 on 30pts compared to my 28pts) - they bowled me all out for 155 in 46.1 overs. I stuck to my plan, and had them all out for 136 in 46.4 overs. Not saying you'll win like this everytime (I normally like to notch up 250 runs if batting first - doesn't happen often, but it is my goal/dream :P), but it seems to be working for me. (Oh, and their team is rated at 4.5 stars and mine at 3.5 stars - never quite worked out that star rating - just about every ODI side has more stars than me, and yet I win twice as many games as I lose...)

[waapwoop]

Thanks for the replies. I am thinking it could be that i have a bad team. All my good players play for Australia, i rarely have them for a match. Can anyone suggest a good method of training new players? I just radomly assign technique training to them. also are they improving if you don't get a message that they have improved, as i rarely get messages. I only train the under 26 players

[6ry4nj]

International Cricket Captain Forum - Training Basics

This is my fairly comprehensive coverage of training from PlanetCricket. I don't claim to know everything about it, but it def beats learning it all from scratch.

Some other advice there too, some of it good.

Are they improving if you don't get a message? Excellent question! I don't see any alternative to assuming that they are.

[waapwoop]

I'm winning a few more games, thanks for the help everyone. I think maybe that because all my star players play for Australia that i am having a hard time. my best 6 players are in the Aussie team. so my star rating goes from 5 to 3 when they are out, which is most of the time.

I had most of my players on technique training for the whole 2011 season and from the start of 2012 till october, and no messages saying they have improved. Is it rare for players to improve? (would make sense regarding the real aussie team)

[wok]

I've been trying to figure out how much players improve as well. I've been using the editor to keep track of my players skill (I haven't been editing them, just looking). I can't figure out exactly how players improve but I have had some observations. Players who don't get much game time don't improve as much and young players improve more than older ones (logical). I've also noticed that from about 29 onwards, players skills start going downhill. All players improve, until 29, but the good players are good and the bad players are bad. From the few years I've kept track, you can't make a bad player into an excellent player.

[waapwoop]

in 2 years, ive had 3 players show improvement messages. I kept reloading a match to see if i could win it... *probaby cheating* reloaded and replayed it 8 times and eventually won it. OD match against Victoria. In one of the reloads i had a player improve his bowling. So it seems random when a player improves.

[Mully2010]

I've been trying to figure out how much players improve as well. I've been using the editor to keep track of my players skill (I haven't been editing them, just looking). I can't figure out exactly how players improve but I have had some observations. Players who don't get much game time don't improve as much and young players improve more than older ones (logical). I've also noticed that from about 29 onwards, players skills start going downhill. All players improve, until 29, but the good players are good and the bad players are bad. From the few years I've kept track, you can't make a bad player into an excellent player.

i also do this and it seems every time a player is in form especially a young is stat soars quickly while older stat remain until they start failing.

also have anyone ever get a all-rounder from the youth team?